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Waterborne operations #99964
05/13/2009 04:47 PM
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I tried posting this in the individual and small unit tactics section but couldn't.

After spending several days fishing for stripers on the Hudson River, I began wondering about waterborne operations and if they may have any merit in a SHTF scenario.

At first, I thought that rivers, estuaries, bays and the ocean would be too restrictive for ops, whether they are tactical, militia-related activities or individual or group survival related activities. But I am not so sure. For example, there are thousands and thousands of small boats on the Hudson between Albany and NYC. There are also numerous, navigable streams and rivers that flow into the Hudson and many coves and bays. There are also very few local, state or federal boat patrols in that area. We were on the water for about 60 hours total over the last three weeks and did not see a single law enforcement or Coast Guard boat actually operating. However, I did see a few NG and state police helicopters, that were going from point A to point B. I may look into this a bit more.

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05/13/2009 06:42 PM
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Re: Waterborne operations #99966
05/14/2009 02:52 AM
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around here we have a coast guard unit that keeps the waterways since we have alot of chem plants and power plants near the rivers..and of course they float alot of coal on barges around here..for a state thats no where near the coast we sure gots lots of water and people with boats..about a year ago they caught a couple guys trying to do some supposed sabotage by using a boat on the river and looking to blow up a power plant..


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Re: Waterborne operations #99967
05/14/2009 05:40 AM
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I am currently puting together a powerpoint about Waterborne Operations. We should NEVER limit our operational capacity in any way, especially by staying only on dry land.

Waterways are more important than most people think. A lot of very important infrastructure that may need protecting is located on waterways. Also, the vast majority of important cities are located on waterways BELOW the fall line. This means they are located on navigable bodies of water. Another important aspect is that waterways are not regulated nearly as much as roadways. It is also more difficult to strictly regulate and enforce any regulations on the water. This means we have a lot more freedom on the water than on the highway.

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Re: Waterborne operations #99968
05/14/2009 06:30 AM
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Cities, like strongholds, can be starved out.


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Re: Waterborne operations #99969
05/14/2009 11:18 AM
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Not without enough manpower, and that's something we're lacking. Besides, with today's aircraft, there's no such thing as laying siege to a city. Remember Berlin?


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On training: Our drills are bloodless battles so that our battles are bloody drills.
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