we have now been told we can get food stamps..but since they took 2 friggen months to make this rule we get a lump sum of $800 and then $460 every month..we have eaten through my bucket stash since i have been without work but now i can replace it and add to it uumm considerably..so this is a really good thing and i am waiting for a backround check on a job which should be here in the next couple days..i like the idea of spending state money for my stash..i mean even if we spend 400 bucks on filling our fridge and pantry i still have 400 to work with for the buckets..got to love it!!

Tobor, I have reservations about what you've stated, but I will have to incline to agree with you. Using state money (that I've paid taxes for, after all) isn't that bad, especially when you need it. I've thought about doing what you're doing, and am in the process.. I have a job, but I now have 3 other family members to think about, not just myself, so I justify my weening the states monies as payback for all of the taxes I have been paying over the years. With food stamps taking care of the food, I can take the money that would buy food and use it on other things, like, I dunno, Ammo and such. Congratulations on your new monthly expenditures :p

..... great..... now we have patriots depending on government handouts for food.

You don't need to be getting food stamps if you can still afford to buy ammo.

Water
Food
Shelter
Medical Care
Electricity
Ammo

It is in that order... if you cannot afford the top 5 by yourself, you don't need to have your neighbor pay for it so you can buy item number 6.

Socialism sure is fun isn't it?

Grabbing government stuff isn't always bad... but something tells me if you qualify for food stamps, you are not paying a ton of taxes to begin with.
I know after the hurricane here, I definitely made sure we got our fair share of the bottled water and MREs. But we also pay a ton in taxes each year, and this is the first time we have been reimbursed. We have still put it a lot more than we have ever gotten close to taking out.

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Answer me this...

If the government steals from your neighbor, so that they can give it to you... how is that any different than stealing from your neighbor?

Seeing as how there is so much Bible thumping going on around here most of the time... I thought you guys might not like stealing. Guess we all like to play Christian sometimes though.

Everyone needs help once in awhile. But it isn't meant to be a lifestyle choice. It's supposed to be a stop gap measure.

Oh, yeah, and remember that great tax refund everyone got? 300 dollars or whatever?

Never saw a dime. We made too much money. Both of our parents work full time jobs, then do work at home to meet deadlines... then we get to give it to the government so they can give it away for people to buy ammo, expensive dinners, and movie tickets. I am sure my parents enjoyed watching everyone else get 300 dollars, after the late nights of hard work. I know I enjoyed having my residence turned into an office at times.

Next time you get your government handout... remember those of us who actually payed for it.

I agree... everyone does need help sometimes.

Ron Paul has the right idea though... we have charities for that. The American people voluntarily give more to help people each year, than the government does. Think how much more would be given if the government didn't take it all.

We have 3 homes. One we live in. One is currently "unlivable", and is what I get to spend weekends doing. And the third is a rent house, which we rent at practically nothing to an ex-alcoholic who has only a part time job.

The American people are generous... the government doesn't need to be supporting people.

How unfortunate that you had to wait 2 months... to be approved to get 460 dollars monthly, with a "signing bonus" of 800 bucks. What an outrage, that you had to wait for that long to get a ton of free stuff. I am sure you almost had to buy food instead of ammo.

Sorry if I am sort of flooding this thread with my opinions... but I have a lot of opinion to dish out on this topic.

The other benefit to charities is they don't waste so much. They have to get donations... the government just takes money or prints it.

Charities are more careful as to how they spend it. They make sure people need it, and make sure it is spent efficiently. Governments waste a lot through the bureaucracy.

Some can Pay for it, Some cannot, That does not change the fact the we all need it.

If he qualifies for it let him have it. And you have to remember that he works for this money all day, thinking about how he can keep his family safe, he obviously Decided that Ammo was next on HIS Priority list, so until any of you are in his shoes don't judge. I have to admit that I have my own Priority List to meet My Own Families Needs.

We have a saying in the Army: "All We Need Is Beans & Bullets, Because Everything Else We Take From The Enemy!"


MK

As long as he is using his neighbor's money to buy food... maybe he should ask his neighbor if he should be buying food and letting the neighbor keep the money, or buy ammo and use the neighbor's money for food.

As long as it isn't his money he is using, maybe he should ask his neighbor what the priority is.

It still stands, this is what charity is for. The government doesn't need to be doing this. It is socialism.
If you like this, Obama is a great choice for president. Everyone wants to support Ron Paul, until the government food is under their nose... then socialism is fun.

All I am trying to tell you, is that He Probably has Children and a Wife to think about...And let me make something Really Clear, I would do ANYTHING to Protect My Family, So if I had to file for "My Neighbor's" money, in order to accomplish that then so be it, And remember its not his anymore, the Fed took it from him, so its wrong to take it back from the Fed?

I see it like this Colt, (I pay Well More than my Share), I would much rather see it in an Americans Pocket than an Illegal Immigrant.

"Baam" (Kicked Soapbox)


MK

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OK, think about the wife and children. Spend the money to buy them food, instead of buying ammo for a "revolution" that will probably never happen.

I would rather see it remaining in my pocket, than in someone else's pocket due to government taking it.

Food stamp programs are no different than the bread lines of the USSR. We just don't have them on such a large scale, yet.

I would try to stay out of the bread line if at all possible.

We may not agree with the existence of government programs like welfare, social security, disability, & unemployment. But if you put money into the program (which you did, whether you wanted to or not via taxes) & there's a time in your life when you actually need to benefit from that program, its stupid not to accept the benefits it offers. If you don't then you're throwing away your own money that you put into the program. Think of it as getting your money back.

I hate the fact that my government forces me to keep an auto insurance policy. But if I get in a wreck, I'm damn sure going to accept a check from the insurance company.

I am not saying don't accept it if you need it... especially if you have payed your fair share.

But, it should definitely be a last resort.

If you have gone out to eat recently, you don't need food stamps.
If you have gone to the movies recently, you don't need food stamps.
If you have purchased a firearm recently, you don't need food stamps.
If you have purchased a case of ammo recently, you don't need food stamps.
If you have purchased a case of beer recently, you don't need food stamps.

If you cannot afford your rice, beans, and bread... then, if you are not doing the above things, you might be worthy of food stamps.

As someone else put it... it is not a lifestyle choice. It is for an emergency, that you use for a short time until you get things straightened away.

colt i will excuse you for your lack of knowledge on this subject..since you do not know me or my situation you are spouting off with out all the info needed..just to give you a peek in to my life here goes(the rest of you can peek too im not shy)i am currently 50 yrs old i have already done 25 yrs in the federal govt paying my own paycheck with my tax money i have done 17 yrs in a army uniform and during that time i picked up a stray newspaper motor route or 2 for some extra cash..since the year 2000 i have lost my home to a sheriff sale(thanks to a loss of govt job)and half my supplies and moved my pregnant wife to WV moving in with her mother..just in the last 10 yrs i have been unemployed 3 yrs homeless 2 times and during one of those times had to sell all my weapons (4 handguns 3 shotguns 1 30-30 1 .22 rifle and 1 SKS) just to keep my family off the street and in a hotel(cram 1 mother in law 1 wife 1 toddler 3 cats and 2 dogs in a hotel room) any ammo i have is what i have bought 10 yrs ago.. which doesnt matter much since i have nothing to put it in anyway..i get jealous when i see gear pics from you guys and having 2-3 rifles that cost 1000-1500 each thinking damn i wish i had a job i could afford to throw away that much on weapons..then i remember i did at one time so i just have to wait for my turn to come around again.. any other complaints you would like to voice?

Excuse this phrase, because I hardly ever use it, but, With all due respect, you have never lived life as some of us have.

I am not trying to exact sympathy or maneuver for it. I am not a willing participant in this F@#%ing game, but I must play, huh? The name of the game is survival, and SOME people need help, and some do not.

I am angry now. A handout is not what is intentioned, or asked. A HANDUP is what is asked, and, by god and all of his teeth if he didn't intend for some people to have it.

I will not go into my personal endeavors as far as this is concerned, but I will tell you this: We all will need a hand, whether it be financially, physically, socially, or other.

If, like some, you believe in God the Almighty, you believe in helping others. Things are not always as easy as they appear.

There will be water if God wills it.. some ask because they need it, and some ask because they want it.. it is up to God, and His Holy Wisdom to decide what the difference is.

Sorry for the rant, just didn't see this going that far. :rolleyes:

For you who do not know me, I am not a Christian, really, But I do believe in the power and sanctity of forgiveness and charity.

Damn the State for playing this game on good people.

So... let me get this straight....

You are 50.
Your wife is pregnant.
You have a toddler.

You have apparently had financial difficulties for some time now, yet you are deciding now to have 2 children?
Also, you have 5 extra mouths to feed through animals. I understand you love your pets, but find them a good home. I wouldn't just give a pet away to a pound either, but a relative or friend is probably in a better situation to care for those animals.

What about savings? If you are 50, surely you have been saving for retirement, right? What happened to that?

Let's think about these children for a minute, too. You will be nearly 70 by the time they finish high school. Are you in any position to support them through college, or while they find acceptable employment?

And what about the computer here that you are on now. You have a computer, and some form of internet access. I guess that is essential to life? Unless the computer is a way you are making money, it isn't.

Maybe I am out of line here... but I guess I just have that kind of self-sufficient-at-all-costs mindset.

I have not lived in the gutter... as some people have.

But, I have seen many people who have/do. We rent houses, remember? Read some of my previous posts.

By seeing other people make stupid mistakes... I think I have learned a little about what not to do.

Colt, Colt, Colt... :rolleyes:

Hear me, I beg. I am 29, as of this day, the twentieth of September. A year ago, I had, erm... myself to feed.

Now, though, since I have taken upon myself A woman I love dear, and her two children, four mouths I must feed.

Go from One to Four. Her Ex is not supportive in the least, and has as of yet to foster in HIS children the least bit of responsibility.

Add One Jackass who has taken her (yes, taken, as in stolen, as in 'What money? What?') 'Rebate' check the equivalent of 1300 dollars away from her (funds which were going to be appropriated for schooling), and what have you got?

A Middle-Class dude, with a Girl who has two kids, who have nothing because of their dead-beat dad jack-ass of a father.

Colt, I implore you to, well, hush. Everyone has their story, as do you, I have no doubt. We all do.

I think I am being misunderstood.

If you have payed your share... and now you need help, and all other options are exhausted, go get your food stamps. You did pay for it, after all.

But, it shouldn't be a long-term arrangement. And it shouldn't be the first thing people turn to. If a charity can help, go that route first. If you can change your lifestyle a little, do that.

All I am saying is try not to use the system.

Colt, understood, and agreed. but, lol, we've ALL paid our fair share, haven;t we?? What's a few billion dollars between some friends?!

Can I get some of that too, After all I do have a heart beat...

Colt

If some one pays taxes they deserve to get something back from it. And after years of paying too much of their paycheck in taxes, if they get the chance to get some of it back to use for ammo or what ever they would have been able to buy if they were not taxed to death, I say good for them.

Come on, guys. We're bailing out AIG for $85,000,000,000. And altogether we're going to spend $trillions helping billionaires who made bad mistakes. I'm not going to begrudge Tobor for taking a few hundred bucks when he really needs it.

The fact is, if he hadn't spent half his money on taxes over the years, he's probably be pretty well off. As would I.

Onward and upward,
airforce

I will just shut up then.

I thought socialism wasn't approved of here... guess not.

The most intelligent thing you have said here.

So, does that mean nothing I said about trying to not be living off of government handouts was not intelligent.

Or that you shouldn't make others pay for your own poor choices... is that what was not intelligent?

You guys must be hard-core socialists... I am just shocked to learn how accepting the Constitutional Militia guys are of socialism.

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What you have said is based on the sterotype image for those on assistance. Has it not crossed your mind that most of those on assistance would rather not be there? Many are on assistance for reasons not of their own making. Lost jobs, hurt on the job, jobs shipped out of country, etc.

Being on assitance, you are constantly having to jump thru government hoops to get the little that you do get. Most are on assistance to SURVIVE, you can not maintain a very high standard of living living off of government assistance. To live off of government assistance is to live in perpetual poverty.

You compare recieving assistance to the values the Militia represents. You are comparing apples with oranges, the two are not related. One is receiving help from government and the other fighting government from TAKING freedoms and rights away.

The amount of money spent on giving people assistance pales in comparison to the billions wasted by government in other areas. IE IRAQ! Financial Bailouts! etc. You are complaining about wasted peanuts, while the government is destroying the whole crop!

It is still socialism... If you deny it, you are kidding yourself.

I am sure most people don't want to be on it... but they are still often on it due to poor decisions on their part.

OK, let's allow the government to steal material objects from us all they want... after all, we are only protecting "rights". Whatever that means.
Or, it doesn't matter if they steal as long as it is only a little bit.

Let's look at this guy's situation.... he is 50, yet where is the retirement fund? Where is the "rainy day" fund? Why does he have 5 animals to feed, when he cannot feed himself? Why is he deciding to have another child, when he cannot afford to feed the one he already has?
It isn't society's fault that he makes poor choices.
We all make mistakes... but that is a lot of mistakes... and big ones too.

Oh, I'm not denying it. You're right, it is socialism. And not particularly efficient socialism, either.

Private charities would be far more efficient ant providing help to those in need. But, with the government already confiscating around half of our earnings, not many of us can afford to donate to charities anymore.

And, incidentally, I'm receiving a government handout, too. In the form of a VA disability, I receive several hundred dollars in government money and benefits every month.

And I admit I feel conflicted about it. I don't like feeding off taxpayers. But, on the other hand, I damn well earned that money. So, I take it, and principles be damned.

Onward and upward,
airforce

VA money falls into a bit of a different category, in my opinion. If you risk life and limb defending the country, the country owes you... and they owe you more than feeding you some crap food and military wages.
I see it as some compensation.

But, food stamps because of poor choices... and then continuing to make poor choices once you are in a bad situation, does not rate high on my list of those who deserve the money.

Both technically count as socialism... but there are differences.

Just a little curious, in a previous post you said "We" rent houses. Who is "We"?

"We"= My family. Probably technically my Dad, I guess they are in his name. But, I spend the weekends helping to do tasks such as fix drywall, tile the floors, tile the shower, pressure wash the driveway, disassemble the old cupboards, replumbing the attic, etc.

Due to my large amount of input, I say "we". We work together, we enjoy the rewards together.

So, Mom and Dad are paying your bills then? You live with them?

Double post

I just turned 16 about 4 hours ago. ...of course I live at home.

I don't just sit there all day with my thumb up my @$$, I do more than just exist... What did you not hear about the entire weekends spent renovating a house thing?

It isn't like I am the 40 year old high school drop-out selling pirated CDs out of the basement...

LOL. Now I got the picture. You are still wet behnd the ears, living at home with Mom and Dad. Mom and Dad has done pretty well in life, so son thinks he can take the credit for mom and dad's good decisions in life.

Son gets on the internet and puts down adults who have worked an entire life to make ends meet, and son don't have a clue as to what is required to make ends meet getting paid what the majority of the people in this country make.

Colt, when that silver spoon is removed from your mouth and you have 40+ years of supporting yourself and maybe a wife and kids, then come back and tell us what you think about government assistance. Until you have done the time and paid the dues, your opinion has NO VALUE!