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I'm watching this on Fox news now. Trump appeared to reach to the right side of his head before going down. There's blood over his right ear, but he defiantly raised his fist as he was helped off stage.

No other details yet.

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Witnesses are saying it was a firearm. Looking at the crowd that was behind him to the left, a number of people to the camera's left were looking to their right, which would apparently be where the shot (if it was one) came from.

Trump is said to be okay.

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Watching now. Dem politicians have been encouraging someone to assassinate him. Guess some left wing nut job took them up on it.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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The AP is reporting the shooter is dead, another report that the shooter has been "neutralized." (That usually means dead.)

One other person may have been killed as well, again according to the Associated Press.

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As you might expect, social media is exploding right now. There is a report "about a shooter on a roof," and a video as well. I've not seen it.

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The Secret Service is saying the shooter was taken out by a "counter sniper team." That may give some credence to the rooftop shooter story.

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Two others shot. One of them a woman, is dead. Shooter was outside the perimeter.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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The shooter, first identified as a Chinese man and now as a "white male," had his "head blown off" by Secret Service. The shooter was "hundreds of yards away."

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Possibly related: Meta will now allow Trump to use Facebook and Instagram.

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From 2020 Libertarian VP candidate Spike Cohen:

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They're now saying the shooter had an "AR style" rifle, and the range was only 130 yards.

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The shooter, 20 year old Thomas Matthew Crooks, seems to be the only 20 year old on earth without a social media account.

Both of his parents are mental health professionals. (!)

Crooks donated to a liberal group, the Progressive Turnout Project, in 2021. He gave $15 to ActBlue the day Biden was inaugurated. He became a registered Republican in 2022 (perhaps to vote for Nikki Haley in the primary?).

Improvised explosive devices were found in hi car near the rally.

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"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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They reportedly identified the shooter through his DNA, since he didn't have an ID on him. I'd like to know how they had his DNA on file.

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The typical headline: "Loud noises startle Trump, caused his fall"


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Going around Facebook:

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Seriously, heads should roll.

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How weird are things getting? This weird.

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Seen on X:

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I'm not buying their narrative. The kid was another Oswald. for the deep state.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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I had to laugh at this.

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Seriously, if this was an inside job, I would think they would be far more competent. I'm still on the side of massive incompetence, but I'm not ruling anything out.

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If you want to eliminate someone...you surround them with an incompetent security detail. Then you find a fall guy/patsy.


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That's true. But I think the fall guy here is going to be Cheatle herself.

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"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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The next would=be assassin could be a drone pilot. And it doesn't look like we're ready.

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..."It is the easiest thing in the world to hook a small piece of explosive to a drone, and send it over an event," Kent Moyer, president of World Protection Group, a California-based private security firm, told Business Insider.

When it comes to protecting dignitaries, or stadium events such as sports and concerts, "nobody is really doing countermeasures against drones," said Moyer.

In fact, the Secret Service has established drone-free zones that prohibit flights within a 30-mile radius of presidential speaking engagements. The Secret Service also jams drone signals near the White House.

Nonetheless, the 20-year-old gunman who wounded Trump at a campaign rally in Butler, Pennsylvania on July 13 used a drone to scan the site just hours before he climbed the roof of a nearby building with a rifle. The FAA did impose restrictions on aerial drone flights for about two hours around the time of Trump's speech, though it is unclear whether jamming was in effect. But given a litany of security foul-ups that day, such as failure to secure nearby rooftops, and lack of coordination between the Secret Service and local police, there is ample reason to doubt whether the rally was drone-proof.

Assassination by drone is hardly new, at least for militaries and spy agencies. The US, Britain, Israel and other nations have done it for more than two decades, using larger drones such as the $30 million MQ-Reaper, armed with laser-guided missiles filled with explosives or even sharp metal blades that shred the target. But the danger now is that an insurgent or extremist can weaponize a $300 drone and strike a person within a half dozen miles with little warning.

Despite the proliferation of small drones in private hands, including terrorist groups such as Islamic State, they have not really been employed for non-state-sanctioned attacks on public figures. But the omens are there, notably in 2018, when Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro survived an attack by explosive drones while giving a speech in Caracas....


Read the whole thing at the link.

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Fox news is reporting that shots have been fired in Trump's vicinity at Mar-A-Lago. Police have the car involved, and an AK style rifle. At first glance, It doesn't appear Trump was the target.

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Fox is now reporting it was the Secret Service who fired the shots at a man carrying an AK-47. The man is in custody.

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A lot of conflicting information here. I can't make head or tails what is really going on. The man in custody, age unknown, is said to have been calm when arrested.

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Here is Ryan Rputh, the suspect in custody.

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He is a 58 year old resident of Hawaii, and a reliable donor to Democratic causes and candidates.

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More about the shooter:

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As for the shooter: Routh has a long history of making political statements on X. He appears to have previously supported Trump before moving towards the Democrats. In a self-published book about the Ukraine War, he wrote about visiting the country and becoming disillusioned with its chances of defeating Russia. At that time, he worked with Ukraine's International Volunteer Center to recruit U.S.-trained Afghan fighters to join the effort. In the book, he described Trump as an "idiot" and a "buffoon."

He repeatedly posted on X in support of President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris, claiming that "democracy is on the ballot." In June of 2020, he reflected on his former support for Trump, writing: "While you were my choice in 2106 [sic], I and the world hoped that president Trump would be different and better than the candidate, but we all were greatly disappointment and it seems you are getting worse and devolving. I will be glad when you gone."

Routh apparently visited the nation's capital last year to advocate on Ukraine's behalf. The New York Times interviewed him while he was in the city, and he posted a picture of himself in front of the Capitol on LinkedIn.


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Ukraine army rejected Routh's help, said he was "full of ****."

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Long before he is thought to have trained his guns on Donald Trump, Ryan Routh tried to tout his warrior skills in Ukraine as a volunteer with the country’s International Legion.

The unit was created by Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, in a bid to recruit ex-Western soldiers to Kyiv’s defence, and drew thousands of applicants in the war’s opening months.

However, far from all were battle-hardened Paras or US Delta Force members. The Legion also attracted no end of Walter Mittys, fantasists and self-publicists.

Ukrainian military recruiters appear to have spotted almost immediately that Mr Routh, who had a long criminal record, was not promising material.

According to an interview that he later gave to the Financial Times, he was rejected for service when he first reported to a Legion office on the Polish border at the war’s outset.

“They said: ‘You’re 56, you’re old and you have no experience’,” he told the paper. “So why don’t you recruit and coordinate?”

If that is what they told him, they probably intended him doing so having returned himself safely back to the US. Undeterred, however, Mr Routh continued on to Kyiv, where he became a familiar – if less than welcome – face on the Legion’s fringes.

There were many such cranks in Kyiv at the time, latching on to the war to pose as international men of action and boasting of high-level contacts in the Pentagon or CIA.

Regular Legionnaires did their best to avoid them, referring to them variously as “Call of Duty Warriors”, “Volun-tourists” and “Screamers” – the latter a reference to their reaction if coming under fire.

But there was little to stop them promoting themselves on social media, as Mr Routh did prolifically, claiming to be an active recruiter for the Legion ranks.

“Any gender, any age, any skill level to no skill level,” he claimed to Newsweek in 2022. “Yeah, if you wanna fight, come and see me and I’ll put you in a unit so you can go fight.”

Mr Routh, who claims to have had contacts in the Middle East, caused the Legion particular problems by attempting to recruit volunteer soldiers from Afghanistan and Syria, who would be unlikely to be admitted to Ukraine because of security concerns.

“He was never in Ukraine in any official capacity – he simply decided that he was going to come here and save the day himself,” a Ukrainian military source told The Telegraph. “I was in contact with him multiple times to request to him that he stop his activities, most of which were bizarre and alarming.”

One former Legion official told The Telegraph: “He was called out a number of times by Legion people and told to stop his shenanigans, but that didn’t seem to stop him. He was mostly quite eccentric. I could smell a mile away that he was full of s---.”

The military source added that because of the “chaos” during the first months of the invasion, it was easy for foreign self-publicists to make false claims that they were acting in an official capacity.

While Mr Routh probably had “good intentions”, he had also caused security problems for the Legion by posting details on his website of foreigners who had enlisted.

“He was trying to get involved in internal matters as well,” the source added. “He sent me messages saying: ‘Oh, guys in this unit are not happy.’ And I said: ‘Listen, they have a chain of command... there is a way to report things.’ I don’t think he was ever completely stable.”

Mr Routh also became a regular fixture in Kyiv’s Independence Square, where he erected his own makeshift memorial to the country’s war dead.

He would also hand out unofficial flyers offering $1,200 to anyone who took up arms against Russia. Eventually, his presence appears to have tested the patience of the Ukrainian authorities – who, according to the FT, ordered the memorial to be taken down.

The Legion is understood to have been at the point of requesting his removal from Ukraine altogether when he then left of his own accord.

Aware that Trump – not a noted champion of Kyiv in the war – might soon be back in the White House, Legion sources have stressed that they in no way approve of Mr Routh’s subsequent assassination plot. On said: “Disregarding political alignments, we would of course never condone this.”

That, however, may not be the only headache Mr Routh has left for Kyiv. According to the FT, after his makeshift memorial in Kyiv was taken down, he started a nearby Flags of the Fallen garden, where small paper flags are planted to remember Ukrainians who died in the war.

The flag garden is now home to thousands of flags and has become something of a landmark in Independence Square.

Much as the Kyiv authorities may not wish to remove it, they may not want to preserve something started by Trump’s would-be assassin, especially should Trump go to Kyiv next year as president.


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