Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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From Runa A. Sandvik on Aug. 20, 2014: To Whom It May Concern:
Pursuant to the Missouri Sunshine Law and the Missouri Public Records Law, I hereby request the following records:
Copies of contracts with Asymmetric Solutions over the past 3 years. The business address for Asymmetric Solutions is 231 S. Bemiston, Suite 800, Clayton, MO 63105.
I also request that, if appropriate, fees be waived as I believe this request is in the public interest. The requested documents will be made available to the general public free of charge as part of the public information service at MuckRock.com, processed by a representative of the news media/press and is made in the process of news gathering and not for commercial usage.
In the event that fees cannot be waived, I would be grateful if you would inform me of the total charges in advance of fulfilling my request. I would prefer the request filled electronically, by e-mail attachment if available or CD-ROM if not.
Thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation in this matter. I look forward to receiving your response to this request within 3 business days, as the statute requires.
Sincerely,
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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After Blackwater no PMC is going to be trusted by the population ever. As the Secret Service says all to often when you mix one cup of clean water with one cup of dirty water you wind up with two cups of dirty water. They should know as they are two cups of dirty water. So it does not matter the Intentions of ASUSA it only matters the publics perception. Some jobs you just don't take no matter the client.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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dispatch asking to roll out the bearcat
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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Demanding details on other people's security arrangements is extremely dangerous ground to tread, regardless of any bullshit "sunshine law".
I think I would rather go tell a judge to get fucked than betray client confidentiality when it comes down to it. Oh, I have been there done that, got the T shirt.
That's a whole different animal from hiring uniformed guards on an evacuation operation. Demanding details on someone's private personal security detail, major no-go.
There is a level of professional courtesy to respect on that and I don't think I would be involved in such a request. If you want to hack someones shit and get their client list, then thats a matter of tradecraft, but using some legal mumbo jumbo to force a disclosure is blatantly unamerican. I think on the ethical issue, I am off the boat of endorsing such demands as a legal maneuver. I would support a tradecraft approach against a known enemy, but broad fishing of information on clients of security companies is nothing to screw around with.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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MuckRock.com is doing the foi don't yell at me I have no hand in it. they are a liberalopen government group who does this shit for profit.
posted it so others could see that everyone pokes noses into anything that goes on in this country. And you can do scarce little to stop it.
hence why I will never work for a PMC. for when the day is over the future of contracts will be more of a value to them than you are to the PMC.
No difference from a govt selling you out or a PMC.' work independent and cash.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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It raised concerns from everyone present and that presented a problem they did not see. No matter how good you are at your trade craft.
in the US you always have to think about third order effects and beyond. not just of your actions but the actions that others can take. That's is the big problem. Sounds simple enough but its hard to practice.
I can tell you from tracking the FOIA that records were found and that scumsucker mukuruker whatever has to pay 250 bucks for the documents. the state is going to release the info and it will be a shitstorm in the media.
And the PMC will be wasting valuable time dealing with this instead of trying to run a business. Not everyone is Executive Outcomes not everyone is a Blackwater. but if the media can sell a story and get a few commercial breaks that is money for them
That's a problem for PMC's because what happens in one state can set a precedent in other states. media and cops are alike in the since that you have to handle them in the same way.. I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY TO YOU.
and that's in all dealings. when the media wants you to do a job like escort in the US ask yourself why?
Not why they need the security but why you.
It does not matter what happens over seas as PMC related stuff in that area is FOIA exempt for now. But why come to you and not a domestic only bodyguard service like Nelly Employed when he went to Ferguson.
It would appear that the journalist who hired them did not have the senses that god gave a flea. Common or otherwise.
Now the PMC is going to be brought into a light that they will have to defend their actions in a media that is heavily biased.
It is not the Indy Media that we or they have to worry about it is the 4 large and Univision. those are the ones who will drag this shit out and make a stink.
Its just the way it is. we can look at the media and how they paint us. it will be those same folks who will try to do the same shit to them.
thus is why I said some jobs you just don't take no matter who the client is. At they end of the day they the client see you as a resource and when you are no longer an asset you will get burned. Nothing personal just business.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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OK, we are on the same page then.
I feel sleazy on that, since you know how it is, you hate them fishing the info then get really damn curious what that info is...
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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lol I was editing while you posted. If tomorrow is calm I can get back to normalcy again. HHG household goods coming in soon. and I got to make space. Picking up a sig p240 soon so I need to go dig up a cache of ammo. I hate digging holes it reminds me of the army.
Spent most of my free time today cleaning the ar and searching for 22 short. I got 400 rounds of 22LR but I need short not LR. I have something chambered in short only.
Will have to make room in the back yard for the harris 1944 antenna. so I got projects aplenty.
Back to Topic.
If Ferguson winds down do not get comfortable.. For if a true bill is NOT handed down we will see something not only in Ferguson but at the capitol as well. Capitol as In Missouri Capitol not the crappy one next to the Potomac. And to quote some off the record NBPP NOI sorts it will make LA look like nothing it will be big time..
The reason being is that in 2011 the prosecutor refused to do anything over a Taser death.
in 2001 the same prosecutor refused to do anything over a double shooting in which two officers fired twenty rounds into a car on two dope dealers who did not get out of the car fast enough. his quote was " They were Bums"
McCulloch also had a brother and several cousins on the ST. Louis county police force. And in 1964 his dad was on duty when he was killed by a black man.
So disregarding the facts in all of this it is the PERCEPTION of the people in Ferguson that he cannot be considered to be without bias when his past actions speak of bias or seem biased. Impartiality cannot be guaranteed.
Gov. Nixon is being an Idiot. And here is why. Think Forward Think Future Think third order effect. Remove all perception of current doubt and prevent the seeds of future doubt from taking root and spreading.
Nixon says "there are mechanisms in place for the prosecutor to recuse himself" And in the Interests of Democracy it is best to let the elected officials do what they were elected for"
wow! idiot he is. For one McCulloch is doing what he feels is best for McCulloch not the community. The people are asking this time. When the acquittal comes down from the jury like it will and has always done the people will be doing more than telling. They know the next steps to take. They are being trained and told what the next steps will have to be. And for a people that's been kicked Beat gassed and shot at with rubber and real bullets you cant do too much else to them to scare them into submission.
Let me quote some things I have from some people involved in the mess in Ferguson..
"The shackles this time are not made of iron they are the repressive laws and the refusal to respect the rights of man"
" Why are serial killers captured alive? because they are high value suspects. Don't damage the goods"
" Make no bones about it the period we live in is enslavement the white police looking out for the white brother cause he shot a black brother six times"
Remember Injury perceived is injury achieved.
So when phase two starts we may all have to reassess our roles in our communities to prevent what is occurring in Ferguson from happening at our own potential Ferguson in our respective states.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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How will the government handle civil disturbances and other unpleasant events in the future? Well, one way is to order people not to talk about it . In many ways, the recent chaos in Ferguson is perfect fodder for high school discussions about the judicial system, civil disobedience, racial divides and the role of media.
But in the Edwardsville School District, teachers in the middle and high schools have been told by principals to “change the subject and refocus the students” whenever Ferguson comes up.
The directives have upset some parents who say the events following the police officer shooting of Michael Brown present a wealth of teaching opportunities for their children, many of whom have been watching the situation unfold on television. But school administrators say teachers have been inserting their opinions into the discussions, which is why they’re shutting them down altogether.
“Such comments have caused students and parents to lash out which is not healthy in the District 7 community,” says a memo to staff on Tuesday from Dennis Cramsey, principal at Edwardsville High School.
Across the region, educators are trying to figure out how to best engage students in conversations about Ferguson. The death of Brown, 18, has brought international attention to the region’s racial wounds. The protests — both peaceful and violent — have raised awareness of the lack of diversity in many area police departments, and the disenfranchisement of many area African-Americans.... Onward and upward, airforce
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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oh my AAAARRRGGGGHHHH the hyphenated race citizen thing really bugs me
and here is why. it lessens the citizen ship status of a person or indicates that a person prefers one country over another.
you are an American or you are not. very simple Aristotle said a thing either is or it is not.
I wish people would drop the hyphens they may think its politically correct but it really is not it is a political status of someone being lesser that an American I.E US citizen.
Edwardsville actually did a good thing. As a teenager I remember when a teacher told me something I challenged it. they said don't do it I would do it. In essence they made it so that I challenged the system. I thought for myself and I organized groups to challenge the system and question the how's and why's. And that's what the kiddos will do at that school.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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Duuuude, you are going to have credibility issues when you are on the front lines of both sides in the same battle. Oathkeeper public speaker/cop in Ferguson You can't make this shit up. Its the same guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NUfcNSTgk3I You know, it does eventually reach the point where you commit to one side or the other. I can see the guy being a bit conflicted, or wanting to get in on the action. But talking the shit and then showing up in uniform as a cop and doing the cop thing. Wow. I guess he figures he was breaking things up oathkeeper style by not just going off the hook and shooting people. I see how it can be I guess, from my side of the fence, where I got booted off the .gov team about the time they made it pretty clear they had every intention of ending up on the wrong side of the Bill of Rights and I was not going to be their guy. Green Beret too, Sheesh.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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CNN was deliberately being on the side of the state. they do not want to be excluded from foreign reporting. I watched them and have it on film numerous times lying and starting shit at Ferguson. They lied about the Powell shooting to and when called on it they had nothing to say. But a copy of the real incident with cnns write up was sent to the outcasts lets see if cnn can stand that heat. they picked sides and when the crap goes down again in Ferguson and the capitol they better not show up.no pmc is going to even think about shooting at any point there. and if AC thinks they are he better think again. what a douche he is. when he dies they better not even think about burying him at Arlington.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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NAACP showed up today in full force I mean like by the hundreds Chapters from across the united states are converging. the Mississippi chapter of the Outcasts showed up today as well. this makes three states the bikers have came from. I don't think the police want to take on the Outcasts.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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This is going to grow. After the children's march let us see who comes out. I found the karg feed and its good it gives me another feed to watch so if the others go down I can still keep an eye on things while I drop box the archives to the ones im duping off of the jacks. Anon brought fibby heat on themselves Skipjack and stingrays are deployed CNN instigated a riot Investigation under way police man hour cost is over 3 million dollars to date. Missouri doesn't have a fund for this. oops.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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Just on the CBS National News.
A police officer who was supposed to be at the Demonstration was suspended because he had been recorded in April Bragging about making a shot at 1,800 Yd and shooting people and stating that if you run you will only die tired.
So much for Officer Friendly
And now there are demonstrations in support of Officer Wilson in St Louis.
And there was a demonstration in Providence RI a few days ago wanting Justice for Brown.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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Yes a lot of the police are stressing out. they never trained for riots and such other things of Long duration. Week long event sure. but we are going into the second week. and the 12 hour shift for some becomes 18 hours. tempers will fray and that's when mistakes are made.
The NAACP made a mistake today they played a Christian bashing race hating speech that would make Louis Farrakhan proud. If they are going to do that in a children's march they need to get the hell out of Ferguson. The Militias, the Patriots and the like minded.. What they learn from this will be very valuable to anything in the future,
Can a person swim from RI to New York ?
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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Can a person swim from RI to New York ? Friend that is an interesting questing, since I believe that few things are actually impossible I suppose with a large enough incentive it could be done but not without some help. A woman did swim from Cuba to Florida and from the point of Rhode Island closest to NYC to NYC is about 120 Miles I guess it would be possible and from RI to the nearest tip of Long Island would be a lot closer. And Block Island to Long Island is about 14 miles. By the way what made you ask that question? If it was the Whales that are swimming around NYC I assure you it was not me. I may be over weight but I am not that big. I did used to joke about not Wearing a Black Wet Suit since I didn't want to be mistaken for a Whale and get Harpooned.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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I asked that question because if everyone thinks its not possible than it has not been put into any sort of contingency planning. its these sort of things the oppressors do not think about. the concepts of travel are one of them. the other is operations which seem impossible are also lacking any counter plan from the oppression.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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I am getting the strong impression that there is foreign money getting discreetly fed in to some of these organizations and individuals to stir shit up. We are not biting the bait on it though. Besides, it is not enough money to get our attention, that's why the rank and file of the troublemakers are mostly street people.
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What happens if the grand jury fails to return an indictment against Darren Wilson? ...The fear among some local residents and officials trying to maintain peace in Ferguson is that failure to charge the officer could stoke new anger among a community profoundly mistrustful of the legal system. Many say they just hope the grand jury's decision, whatever it is, has irrefutable facts to back it up.
U.S. Sen. Claire McCaskill told The Associated Press she's pushing for federal and local investigations to be completed around the same time so that all evidence in the case can be made public — a step many consider important should prosecutors decide not to charge the officer. Her office said Friday that the Department of Justice hasn't given a timeline for the federal investigation, which centers on whether a civil rights violation occurred when officer Darren Wilson fatally shot the unarmed Michael Brown on Aug. 9.
McCaskill, a former prosecutor in Missouri, said she's hopeful the physical evidence in the case — including blood spatter patterns, clothing and shell casings — will provide "incontrovertible facts" about what happened during the shooting. She said whatever local prosecutors decide, it will be important to explain the decision by providing that physical evidence, and that won't be possible if the federal investigation is ongoing.
McCaskill said she urged Attorney General Eric Holder during a meeting earlier this week to speed up what is typically a lengthier federal process.
"What we want to avoid is a decision being made without all the information being available to the public also," McCaskill said, adding that not being able to do so could "create more stress and certainly much more fear that we would be back to worrying about people being able to protest safely." (...) Onward and upward, airforce
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Wilson testified at the grand Jury Wednesday and yesterday this happened.
According to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, SCMPD officers arrested Charles Smith, 29, on outstanding warrants. Police placed Smith under arrest and he was handcuffed behind his back and placed in a patrol car.
After being placed into the patrol car, Smith was able to move his hands to the front of his body and kicked out the window of the patrol car.
Officers said Smith attempted to exit the patrol car and they saw he had a firearm. Smith was then shot and killed at the scene. During the crime scene investigation, a firearm was found under Smith's body.
the above speaks of sloppy police work. Cuffed placed in car Weapon unsecured with subject in car. wow. !!!!!
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I think interesting is putting it very mildly.
Riot may be closer to reality.
I have known for almost forever that people in general are Ignorant, Stupid and Crazy but are Black People so Ignorant, Stupid and Crazy that they set a new record for it.
Stadium with a large number of Football Fans Fans being short for Fanatics, who have paid a lot of money to watch this Game. Have any of these Blacks given any thought to what the Football Fans might do if this game is messed up by these Black demonstrators. And what about what the Police may do.
Now a person doesn't have to be very smart to figure out that because of what happened in Ferguson, the Police will be treading lightly but there is a lot of money tied up in that game and the NFL along with the Fans will not want the game messed up or even canceled, so how much of a disturbance will the NFL and the Police tolerate before they start getting physical with the demonstrators?
Of course what happens will depend on how many demonstrators get into the game and how they intend to demonstrate.
Will they just hold up signs or will they go a lot further and attempt to stop the game.
We are living in very interesting times.
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Maybe they want to make sure the rams win. If they cant win in the court room then maybe the football field.
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A Ferguson police officer has been shot and wounded. A Ferguson, Mo., police officer was shot Saturday night, St. Louis County law enforcement officials confirmed to CBS affiliate KMOV.
Officials say the officer was shot in the arm, but his condition was not released, and the circumstances of the shooting were unclear.
Police set up a staging area near West Florissant and Stein, close to the area where protests took place last month after the shooting death of Mike Brown, an unarmed 18-year-old by Ferguson policeman Darren Wilson.
Some unrest had erupted Friday after Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson released a videotaped apology to Brown's parents for the shooting. Onward and upward, airforce
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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09/28/2014 08:04 AM
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They seem to all have issues with each others. Apparently the cops found it fashionable to not just block their names and badge numbers on the uniforms, but wear wristbands showing support for their guy.
I think there is a lot of history both sides are not talking about there. Thug cops vs thug street homies.
I pegged it right, our role, if we have one, would be in guarding and securing the evacuation of our kinds of people to enclaves.
Both sides have attacked reporters, both sides lie about everything to fit their own agenda. Fuck them. Contain it and let them sort out those problems while we get our people and assets out if any are still there.
Life liberty, and the pursuit of those who threaten them.
Trump: not the president America needs, but the president America deserves.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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10/07/2014 07:43 AM
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Missouri police are making continge...grand jury fails to indict Darren Wilson , the Ferguson police officer who fatally shot Mike Brown. And they fear the violence may spread much farther than just Ferguson. Missouri authorities are drawing up contingency plans and seeking intelligence from U.S. police departments on out-of-state agitators, fearing that fresh riots could erupt if a grand jury does not indict a white officer for killing a black teen.
The plans are being thrashed out in meetings being held two to three times a week, according to people who have attended them. The FBI said it was also involved in the discussions.
Details of the meetings and intelligence sharing by Missouri police agencies and their counterparts in other parts of the country have not been reported before.
The grand jury is expected to decide next month whether to bring criminal charges against police officer Darren Wilson, who shot dead Michael Brown, 18, on Aug. 9 in Ferguson, Missouri.
In differing accounts, police have said Brown struggled with Wilson before the fatal shots were fired. But some witnesses say Brown held up his hands and was surrendering when he was shot multiple times in the head and chest.
If charges are not brought against Wilson, police fear an outbreak of violence not just in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson, but across the greater metropolitan area and even in other U.S. cities, according to St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar and others involved in the planning meetings.
James Knowles, the Ferguson mayor who has been attending the meetings, told Reuters the fear is that if violence is triggered by the grand jury decision, "the unrest is going to be far beyond the city of Ferguson." (...) This could be fun. Onward and upward, airforce
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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10/08/2014 06:24 AM
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"Don\'t come to Ferguson if you aren\'t ready to die." This is looking like it could get really ugly, really quick. ...They also dismissed a distinction drawn by the police between “good protesters” and so-called “outside agitators” blamed for causing trouble in August. Russell, who was also arrested during the protests, said 20th century civil rights pioneers such as Martin Luther King Jr, were “outside agitators”. He said: “Don’t be afraid to come from outside and help us do this work. Don’t be afraid to be an outside agitator for some true change.”
Asked during a question-and-answer session how far they were willing to go for their cause, Poe said: “Don’t come to Ferguson if you aren’t ready to die. Stay at home, as it could happen.” Yates said: “I can say this with 100% certainty: all three of us have had moments in the street where we realised we could die right there.” (...) Onward and upward, airforce
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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10/09/2014 11:12 AM
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If Blacks do as they usually do and target innocent White People and other non-blacks, then this may escalate into a Race War.
I believe that if White People are targeted, White People will defend themselves and since the best defense is a good offense, White People acting for self preservation may take the fight to the enemy and if this happens, Blacks may become an Endangered Species.
It has been said: Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it
Blacks who want a Race War need to rethink it, since the people they want to kill, not only are a lot better armed but greatly outnumber them.
VINCE AUT MORIRE (Conquer or Die)
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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10/09/2014 12:53 PM
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Yep, these folks are spun up, but peaceful so far. This can obviously spin out of control PDQ. I would say that it will depend on how the police treat them as to whether this burns out or gets amped up.
Fight the fight, Endure to win!
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