Re: Military detention of citizens on u.s. Battlefield
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01/07/2012 04:18 PM
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The FEMA camps will be for what they consider low grade threats.
Don't know where I fall in that.
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Re: Military detention of citizens on u.s. Battlefield
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01/07/2012 07:07 PM
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When Iran is attacked all the new "UNLAWFUL" laws will be put to use(on us),and the war here will begin.Think "spring offensive",if not sooner...
My network reports many mil personnel are requesting to move on base with their families.
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Re: Military detention of citizens on u.s. Battlefield
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01/07/2012 09:11 PM
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Well, since I have absolutely zero zip nada plans for acting as a fifth column on behalf of the Iranian government, I think some official open statements of denial of involvement would be appropriate then do the wait and see thing again. This gets to be the thing where having a validated spokesperson for every concievable group matters.
It is a common activity for the spokespeople for various groups or movements or even action cells to put out a communique accepting or denying responsibility for something that has happened.
Now looking at the Hutaree situation, they are saying nothing, which does not look good, but I would guess the judge is playing dirty and has them on some sort of gag order. Credibility cuts both ways on all of this.
The problem, the real problem, is being the side that comes up with vague conspiracy theories which are used to take "pre-emptive action" and even worse, when that pre-emptive action kills innocent bystanders. That's where the FBI really lost a lot of points on the Charles Dyer situation. They are lacking evidence of the real justification for going so heavy handed on some innocent bystanders with the SWAT teams in Texas and Florida. Dyer had no bomb, was nowhere near any bomb, and obviously lacked any resources even remotely close to being "another Timothy McVeigh".
I am hearing reports of the FBI agent's supervisor now showing up to the court proceedings in the Dyer case. Could be he is taking a personal interest in it, or quite possibly, it is not a show of solidarity, but a show that he no longer trusts the words of the subordinate agents or the local agencies who requested their involvement.
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Re: Military detention of citizens on u.s. Battlefield
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01/08/2012 04:41 AM
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There was/is? a gag order on the Hutaree last I heard.
I would be surprised if the FBI supervisor is on anyone's side but the govt in the Dyer case. Maybe we'll be surprised but somehow I doubt it.
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Re: Military detention of citizens on u.s. Battlefield
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01/08/2012 04:53 AM
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If we cant get it together. Lets get it on!
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Re: Military detention of citizens on u.s. Battlefield
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01/08/2012 05:50 AM
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Been thinking on mass prison break operations:
1.)Where's the prison located? Typically they will be in depressed rural communities which are dependent on it for their economic survival, and if there long enough the local adopt a kind of 'strawboss' mentality because their men and women work there and boss convicts around. So staging the assault in/around these small towns won't work.
2.)The prison and its defenses; they're configured mostly for keeping convicts in, not repelling a major military assault.... that's what it would take to pull that off. What you will have to count on however is an immediate response from every police department within a hundred miles, state troopers, national guard and US military, so you have to figure out what is the opfor.
3.)Your ins an outs. Six ways in, 12 ways out is the saying but if there's only a few or even one road you will need cross country equipment.
4.)Weapons and provisions-I'm assuming an illegitemate government sweeping up Americans en masse. You got weapons-even .22 rifles? Crates of milsurp bolt action rifles with bandoliers would work fine. What about food, clothing, transport?
5.)Where are all of these people are going to go? Do you have places-likely over a hundred miles away because prisons are in remote or hard to access places on purpose. Will they join you-and do you have enough for them? Likely not, they'll have to go... someplace. In this scenario you're making a mass prison break and caches of arms and building an instant army. Armies need food, shelter and warmth like any other mass of people... or will you be operating in cooperation with other forces with their own people inside? Alliances can be tricky but as long as the goal is kept in mind doable.
6.)Who do you have on the inside? It would be of great benefit to contact various leaders and influential inmates and risk getting snitched on and blowing the operation and get their troops up to speed on say, basic woodcraft, marksmanship and rifle team/squad tactics. Yes I know there won't be a rifle range in the joint but they can be told the theory and upon the operation will have the theory to use that Enfield-guided by your men of course. When the prison break occurs they act on the inside as the inside pressure to your outside pressure. More than likely the prison will fall.
7.)Breakout! What's coming? Do you/can you have teams along the various approaches to disable, delay, destroy them? Can you get your prepared inmates armed in time to turn them into an ad hoc military force and greatly improve your odds?
No you won't be making a stand there, the objective is to escape and harness your instantly generated increased combat power to attack whatever secondary objectives come up. You have to before opfor panics and calls in the US Air Force...
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Re: Military detention of citizens on u.s. Battlefield
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01/14/2012 03:31 PM
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El Paso County in Colorado passes resolution nullifying the NDAA. Which, of course, doesn't really nullify anything. But symbolically, it gets the point across. Resolution to Preserve Habeas Corpus and Civil Liberties
WHEREAS, pursuant to C.R.S. §§ 30-10-101(1), 30-11-103, and 30-11-107, the Board of County Commissioners of El Paso County, Colorado (“County” or “Board”), has the legislative authority to manage the concerns of the County and to exercise such other and further powers as are conferred by law; and
WHEREAS, the Board of County Commissioners of El Paso County, Colorado, opposes any and all rules, laws, regulations, bill language or executive orders, which amount to an overreach of the federal government and which effectively take away civil liberties; and
WHEREAS, in accordance with the Colorado State Constitution, Article 12, Section 8, all elected officials are mandated to “take and subscribe an oath or affirmation to support the Constitution of the United States and of the State of Colorado, and to faithfully perform the duties of the office upon which he shall be about to enter;” and the El Paso County Commissioners subscribe to uphold this oath of office by the adoption of this Resolution, and
WHEREAS, one of our most fundamental rights as American citizens is to be free from unreasonable detention without due process of law, a right afforded to us by our Founding Fathers and guaranteed to us by over two centuries of sacrifice by our men and women in the Armed Forces whom we daily recognize and honor; and
WHEREAS, Sections 1031 and 1032 (or any other wording as the bill is modified) of the 2011 United States Senate National Defense Authorization Act, Bill Number SB1867, as proposed, provide that in limited circumstances, an American citizen may be detained by our own United States government and by our Armed Forces, which detention could last, without trial until the end of the hostilities currently authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force; and
WHEREAS, Sections 1031 and 1032 (or any other wording as the bill is modified)of the National Defense Authorization Bill, SB 1867, jeopardize the fundamental rights of American citizens to remain free from detention without due process and the right to habeas corpus in direct contravention of the guarantees of the Bill of Rights and the United States and Colorado Constitutions; and
WHEREAS, it is indisputable that the threat of homeland and international terrorism is both real and viable, and that the full force of appropriate and constitutional law must be used to defeat this threat so that terror never wins; however, winning the war against terror cannot come at the great expense of mitigating basic, fundamental, constitutional rights using rules, laws, regulations, bill language or executive orders; and
WHEREAS, the Board of County Commissioners of El Paso County, Colorado, wholeheartedly supports the United States military and dutifully recognizes the importance the National Defense Authorization Act, SB1867, as an appropriations bill and as a bill necessary to support the efforts of our military to both serve and protect the people of this great Nation with the exclusion of sections 1021 and 1032; and
WHEREAS, undermining our own Constitutional rights serves only to concede to the terrorists’ demands of changing the fabric of what made the United States of America a country of freedom, liberty and opportunity; and
WHEREAS, the Board of County Commissioners of El Paso County, Colorado, opposes any and all rules, laws, regulations , bill language or executive orders, which amount to an overreach of the federal government and which effectively take away civil liberties; and
WHEREAS, the El Paso County Sheriff’s Office is in agreement with this resolution and the goals and purposes herein stated and agrees to undertake all appropriate efforts to protect the constitutional rights of all citizens; and
BE IT RESOLVED, the Board of County Commissioners of El Paso County, Colorado, is in opposition to Sections 1031 and 1032
of the United States Senate National Defense Authorization Act, and does hereby support the Colorado
Constitution and the Constitution of the United States of America and all the freedoms and guarantees as guaranteed by our Founding Fathers and as provided by the brave efforts of the members of our Armed Forces
DONE THIS ___ day of December, 2011, at Colorado Springs, Colorado.
THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
OF EL PASO COUNTY, COLORADO
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Amy Lathen, Chair
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Sallie Clark, Vice Chair
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Dennis Hisey, Member
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Darryl Glenn, Member
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Peggy Littleton, Member
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Wayne W. Williams, County Clerk and Recorder Onward and upward, airforce
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Re: Military detention of citizens on u.s. Battlefield
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01/16/2012 10:53 AM
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On an earlier note, my family has made their intentions clear. They will stay and fight. We will win, or we will die together.
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Re: Military detention of citizens on u.s. Battlefield
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01/16/2012 11:30 AM
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Modern high security prisons are engineered to some degree to repel a determined assault. A lot of (if not most) regular county jails are extremely high security compared to regular prisons, but personnel issues are what make the difference between one engineered to repel an assault or not. Most can simply "lock down" and wait for the cavalry to arrive and if the assaulting force does not have the means to breach multiple steel and concrete doors quickly, they are not getting in.
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Re: Military detention of citizens on u.s. Battlefield
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01/16/2012 12:15 PM
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Well!! I am not sure of What a Terrorist would be by their Definition..But I know as well as everybody here, they will label us as such, and I think we should not disappoint them!
As I've said and maintain to this very day, we will all Hang separately, if we don"t Hang together....I"am tired of the BullShyte, and the 24/7 Fear..Maybe its time to be Pro-Active..if the gloves are off..what is our Option? I feel we are soon to be tested, I am on the same page as Leo..Bring it on..I'am tired and want to go Back to America! Semper Fi
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Re: Military detention of citizens on u.s. Battlefield
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01/16/2012 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by Breacher: Modern high security prisons are engineered to some degree to repel a determined assault. A lot of (if not most) regular county jails are extremely high security compared to regular prisons, but personnel issues are what make the difference between one engineered to repel an assault or not. Most can simply "lock down" and wait for the cavalry to arrive and if the assaulting force does not have the means to breach multiple steel and concrete doors quickly, they are not getting in. I've often noticed doors are heavily reinforced, windows with bars, etc... I've also noticed the same attention is often lacking on walls, floors, and roofs.
Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight. - Psalm, CXLIV
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Re: Military detention of citizens on u.s. Battlefield
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01/17/2012 07:20 AM
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I'm am sure the the powers in Washington have not been too worried about us. By that they think we have too much to lose to stand. Well Mr. Washington man. We have been losing things for years and we have been patient, tried to see the good leaders and refrain from battle. because down deep we really love the people of this land and the freedoms we once had. But you took and took and then took some more. we warned and warned. then yelled stop. But Sir you refused, you got a taste of power and began to believe we would not fight. You were right for a while many had a lot to lose, homes, careers and family. but you took those too. Now what left for you to take? Maybe others have something left to lose, but sir I don't you took my freedom once, you took my career once, you took all that I was willing to sacrifice without a fight. Then one day in December my son was taken, my conscience, my friend, my reason for caution. Now try to take anything else. all have have left is fight come get some Mr. Washington man. There are many men right now one loss away from my position sir......warning.... You drew first blood....
I believe in absolute Freedom, as little interference from any government as possible...And I'll fight any man trying to take that away from me.
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Re: Military detention of citizens on u.s. Battlefield
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01/17/2012 07:48 AM
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Originally posted by Greywolf: I'm am sure the the powers in Washington have not been too worried about us. By that they think we have too much to lose to stand. Well Mr. Washington man. We have been losing things for years and we have been patient, tried to see the good leaders and refrain from battle. because down deep we really love the people of this land and the freedoms we once had. But you took and took and then took some more. we warned and warned. then yelled stop. But Sir you refused, you got a taste of power and began to believe we would not fight. You were right for a while many had a lot to lose, homes, careers and family. but you took those too. Now what left for you to take? Maybe others have something left to lose, but sir I don't you took my freedom once, you took my career once, you took all that I was willing to sacrifice without a fight. Then one day in December my son was taken, my conscience, my friend, my reason for caution. Now try to take anything else. all have have left is fight come get some Mr. Washington man. There are many men right now one loss away from my position sir......warning.... You drew first blood.... I think there are a lot of us who have been pushed far enough that there is nothing left but timing. Things are heating up, getting closer for sure. When TSHTF all I have to say is we'd better not stop until the job is done. Completely done.
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Re: Military detention of citizens on u.s. Battlefield
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02/04/2012 03:50 AM
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Oklahoma State Rep. Charles key (R-Oklahoma City) has introduced HCR 1025 , expressing the belief that the National defense Authorization Act is unconstitutional, and calling for its repeal. Oklahoma House of Representatives
Media Division
February 3, 2012
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Contact: State Rep. Charles Key
Capitol: (405) 557-7354
Rep. Key Files Resolution Calling for Repeal of National Defense Authorization Act
OKLAHOMA CITY - A resolution filed by state Rep. Charles Key would petition Congress and President Barack Obama to repeal sections of the National Defense Authorization Act that are in conflict with the U.S. Constitution.
"President Barack Obama has said he would not hold citizens indefinitely, it is deplorable that he would sign into law legislation that contains clauses that would authorize him to do just that," said Key (R-Oklahoma City). "Oklahomans have taken notice of this repugnant new law and as state lawmakers it is our duty to apply pressure to Congress and the president to undo this debacle."
House Concurrent Resolution 1025 calls on Congress and President Barack Obama to repeal Sections 1021 and 1022 of the NDAA law.
Key said Sections 1021 and 1022 directly conflict with our constitutional right to a trial by jury and due process.
"It is so clear that this law is unconstitutional and it would be laughable if it were not so serious an issue that President Obama would talk about how his lawyers are ensuring that it would not be misused," said Key. "Americans all over this country are shaking their heads in disbelief." Onward and upward, airforce
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