Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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10/09/2014 10:40 PM
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Well, flag burning is never is good sign. Can anyone else sense these folks being used as useful idiots? Someone out there wants this to go hot.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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10/10/2014 02:47 AM
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Leonidas Yes I fully agree, Someone out there wants this to go hot.
There are blacks who want to go Mau Mau on White People and actually want a Race War.
Stupid is as stupid does and stupid can be fatal to the stupid.
Don't blacks know what the word minority means.
Whites greatly outnumber Blacks plus most quality firearms are owned by Whites so if there is a War between Blacks and Whites it will be the Blacks who will lose.
Ferguson blacks and all other Blacks contemplating Murdering White People better read up on history and what happened in Tulsa in 1921 and also about the Rosewood Massacre in Florida in 1923.
If White People get pushed too far what Whites did to those Black Neighborhoods and Towns may just happen again.
When you kill Barn Rats you don't just kill the ones scampering around the floor, you find and eliminate their Nests and if too many White People get MURDERED by Blacks then White People may decide to take a more long term solution.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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10/10/2014 03:03 AM
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Originally posted by Lord Vader: If Blacks do as they usually do and target innocent White People and other non-blacks, then this may escalate into a Race War.
I believe that if White People are targeted, White People will defend themselves and since the best defense is a good offense, White People acting for self preservation may take the fight to the enemy and if this happens, Blacks may become an Endangered Species.
It has been said: [b]Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it
Blacks who want a Race War need to rethink it, since the people they want to kill, not only are a lot better armed but greatly outnumber them. [/b] If you look at e zones they want to control, they have the guns and numbers to clog up and reduce commerce in several large metropolitan areas which puts them in position to demand larger tribute payments while organizing strikes against targets anywhere within driving distance of each consolidated zone of control.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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10/10/2014 03:56 AM
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Breacher If you look at e zones they want to control, they have the guns and numbers to clog up and reduce commerce in several large metropolitan areas which puts them in position to demand larger tribute payments while organizing strikes against targets anywhere within driving distance of each consolidated zone of control.
Well what if instead of giving in to these Ghetto Rats demands for Tribute, White People decide to go on the offensive and exterminate these Black Vermin, then what? And what if White People Lay Siege to these E Zones and what if White People Shut Off the Electric, and the Supply of Food into these Black Controlled E Zones, then what? There are no Cities that are Self Sufficient, so all that is needed is to cut off the supply of what these E Zones need to function and for the People living there need to Survive and the White People WIN And as to Blacks leaving these E Zones and striking targets within driving distance, what if the White People living in these targeted areas decide to fight back against these Black Scum. The only thing is will White People have the Smarts and Guts to do what is needed. I believe that enough will to defeat these Evil Blacks. If Blacks attempt to do as you believe they will, I believe it will only cause Whites to Target Blacks every where they are found.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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10/10/2014 05:59 AM
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Sen. Rand Paul is the first 2016 presidential (probable) candidate to visit Ferguson. You sort of wonder whee everyone else is, don't you? Sen. Rand Paul met with civil rights leaders Friday in Ferguson, Missouri, the city torn apart by racial unrest following the August shooting of an unarmed black teenager by a white police officer. During his visit, the Republican Senator, who is seen as a likely presidential candidate, stated his concerns about long prison sentences for nonviolent crimes, the loss of voting rights for felons and military programs to give unused equipment to local police departments.
“I wanted to find out what we could do to make the situation better,” Paul said of his visit Friday.
“Given the racial disparities in our criminal justice system, it is impossible for African-Americans not to feel like their government is particularly targeting them,” Paul wrote in an opinion piece for TIME this summer.
The meeting came just days after another young black man was shot by police in nearby St. Louis, after allegedly firing a stolen handgun at an officer. And it came on the eve of a weekend series of protests organized to keep national attention on the state’s issues.
Paul joined the leaders in the conference room of a real estate office across the street from an art installation Friday, where residents had tied ribbons to a metal fence with messages commemorating the protests that began in August after the shooting of 18-year-old African-American student Michael Brown. Paul arrived in town Thursday for a round table discussion at the Show Me Institute, a conservative think tank in St. Louis. That event, like the discussion with local and civil rights leaders in Ferguson, was not open to the press.... Onward and upward, airforce
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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11/17/2014 05:36 AM
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Everyone is predicting the grand jury decision on Ferguson Officer Darren Wilson to come at any time. from what has been leaked so far, it seems unlikely that Wilson will be indicted. There are reports of two dozen or more Department of Homeland Security vehicles staging in Chesterfield, Missouri, and state and local law enforcement is on high alert. ![[Linked Image]](http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s31/airforce682000/dhs-staging_zpsa3a9c793.jpg) This could get interesting. Onward and upward, airforce
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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11/24/2014 11:54 AM
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This WILL get ugly... I just hope the good folks (of all race, religion, and political persuasion have vacated and made sure that their insurance covers acts if vandalism in a riot!
Is it legal to rig your property to explode by remote when over-ran by the zombie hoard?... Honest officer, I'd been having issues with that gas stove for a while... With all this craziness, and the rush to bug out I forgot to fix it....
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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11/24/2014 02:54 PM
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Watching the live feeds out of Ferguson.
The boy got exactly what he asked for and the crowd is acting like a typical bunch of porch monkeys.
"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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11/24/2014 03:06 PM
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It has been reported that a shot may have been fired and it is also stated that it sounded like a 9mm.
Things may be heating heating up.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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11/24/2014 03:19 PM
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It seems that rioting has begun.
Tear gas is now being used and some of the canisters are being thrown back.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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A car is now on fire, not sure if it is a cop car.
The situation is now is being referred to as anarchy.
And the beat goes on and oh happy day.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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11/24/2014 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by airforce: It looks like a police car, but I'm not sure. And being an anarchist myself, I take exception to this as being "anarchy."
Onward and upward, airforce We need another word for our politics, man. The mass media has ruined the actual proper one for good.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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Originally posted by airforce: ... "chaos" is caused by terrorists, ...
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I would gladly lay aside the use of arms and settle matters by negotiation, but unless the whole will, the matter ends, and I take up my battle rifle, and thank God that He has put it within my grasp.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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11/24/2014 05:29 PM
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The basic idea so far has been grab what you can from the shops then burn them to the ground. I'm surprised we haven't heard reports of officers shot yet. It's not going to end any time soon.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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11/24/2014 06:04 PM
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The demonstrators even used their bodies to block a highway in St Louis and some people were trapped in their cars and one Big Rig.
The demonstrators should be thankful that non of them got run over. Some of them even stood on top of peoples cars.
I know if I was driving that Truck and large numbers of Black demonstrators got in front of me to stop me, I would not have stopped, and there would have been a few squashed blacks on the roadway.
Think about if, after what happened to that White Truck Driver in California, only a stupid person would stop. Oh and as far as the Law goes I would just state that I was in fear of my live and I thought they would pull me out of my truck and kill me.
also I wonder if any of those trapped drivers were legally armed.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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11/24/2014 06:14 PM
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These things usually involve backroom deals to "permit" certain places to get looted. Someone running away with loot in their arms is likely not in the business of attacking police.
Hate to say it, but the practice goes back pretty far. Even ancient Roman times. Letting the savages sack a wealthy villa can pacify the barbarian leadership and keep them from pushing further into areas more critical to the Empire.
-mart stores are on the list of "giveaways", then come the strip malls, then regular shopping malls, lastly is main street, but not gun shops. The government will always let civilians be looted as a delaying tactic which keeps the mobs from focusing attacks on government buildings.
My "directive" to do site security and evacuations is a mulit-purpose strategy. That is to make "civilian" targets such hard targets that the mobs want to bypass them and focus their efforts on the mechanism of oppressive government.
Why? I saw this play out in California in the 1990s, once the easy targets arm up and fight back, you just watch, the riot mob leaders will then demand victim disarmament. Now carefully, watch, who do they demand serve the function of disarming victims? They will make those demands to the police through their pet politicians, like Maxine Waters during her day. That's the play that needs to be made. It really forces them to show their true colors and make demands with their insider alliances. It's like when a criminal is not entirely successful in their hostility to a victim and demands the police step in and finish the job. You know where their street cred goes after that? The pits. They may be feared, but they will never be respected.
On the government side, the minute they take action against neutral parties, and do anything to restrict reasonable security measures (given the circumstances), they have abdicated authority and just become an unlawful combatant force.
Here is where that needs to be clarified. Legitimate law enforcement functions with the consent of the community and rule of law. They need both in order to maintain lawful authority status. In that, they gain certain protections according to the Constitution and recognized international law which are not afforded to military combatant forces. Popularity OR law are not sufficient, they need both. Maybe one more than the other, but they can't abandon either. Now if they manage to have both, yet carry out unconstitutional action, we can still look at that as "enemies domestic", but it varies a lot on a case by case basis, and we need to see institutionalize repression, not just some habitual "probable cause to search" violator.
It is one thing to say "without rule of law" another to bring it to pass. It puts characters like Chawn Kweli in the position of needing to focus their efforts on the police, and whoever wins that, just ends up owning city hall. City hall does NOT control the town, without consent of the governed, it's just another big building downtown.
What to wait for? Someone gets on the steps of the hall, declares the conflict over, says the militias need to disband and disarm, and that my friends, is where you hold your little press conference and tell them what the new reality is - whatever deal they made with each other, is just with each other. If they roll up hard on the people and places the militia are protecting, then its time to put someone down hard.
That's recognizing the lessons of Los Angeles of the early 1990s. During the "uprising" the Koreans organized very quickly. Many of the strip malls owned by ROK military veteran officers, and they knew how to play - against the mobs. When the police rolled up on them in force, both sides were not quite sure how to deal with it, so they cautiously parted company. In the following years however, a lot of the Korean paramilitary leadership were systematically identified and retaliated against. It is that systematic reprisal mostly at the hands of the DAs office that not so many people fully understand. Even a lot of the cops carrying out the reprisals were not sure what it was about since the whole thing was being handled by a relatively small investigative squad which was shepherded into place by Maxine Waters, making good on her political promises to her constituency. They even got a lot of the liberal Asian college students to turn against their parents and participate in rallies AGAINST those who had protected them just a few years earlier. The left had succeeded in bringing about generational warfare among the Asians in California.
Among the callouts and betrayals in that were calls that those who armed and defended neighborhoods from the rioters did so on their own initiative and were unwelcome. People even testified "when uncle showed up with a rifle, it scared us, but we did not say anything, he was in a bad mood and we just cowered as he shot at the blacks". "Uncle Pow" then goes and does a little prison time for an unregistered assault weapon... Not much time, but enough to give him felony paper and a stern warning about taking the law into his own hands. Prison rapes were threatened, until the smart old Asians figured out that there were plenty of tough convicts who would happily dismember a prison rapist for a few thousand dollars, racial hatreds not required, as the Asians got a reputation for paying on the bounties they offer.
Lucrative targets and civilian population become hard targets, and not just hard targets, but wild cards. Potential third, fourth, fifth independent pissing mad factions if their turf is violated.
It is a requirement though, for those under militia protection to openly and without duress, voice consent to that protection. If they come along years later claiming they were "intimidated" by the fat guys in camoflage with rifles, then someone needs to break out the archive tapes and newspaper clippings of the people giving consent.
That lesson is very well laid out in the Mexican Rurale militias who are fighting against the Templar Cartel in Southern Mexico. Big town meetings where everyone gets a chance to get on stage and speak welcome and support to those who have volunteered for the militia patrols and checkpoints.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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Good writeup; very informative.. Thanks, Breacher.
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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri
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Sen. Rand Paul has an article in Time, "The Politicians Are To Blame in Ferguson." Too long to post here in its entirety, but here's a portion: ...In the search for culpability for the tragedy in Ferguson, I mostly blame politicians. Michael Brown’s death and the suffocation of Eric Garner in New York for selling untaxed cigarettes indicate something is wrong with criminal justice in America. The War on Drugs has created a culture of violence and put police in a nearly impossible situation.
In Ferguson, the precipitating crime was not drugs, but theft. But the War on Drugs has created a tension in some communities that too often results in tragedy. One need only witness the baby in Georgia, who had a concussive grenade explode in her face during a late-night, no-knock drug raid (in which no drugs were found) to understand the feelings of many minorities — the feeling that they are being unfairly targeted.
Three out of four people in jail for drugs are people of color. In the African American community, folks rightly ask why are our sons disproportionately incarcerated, killed, and maimed?
African Americans perceive as true that their kids are more likely to be killed. ProPublica examined 33 years of FBI data on police shootings, accounted for the racial make-up of the country, and determined that: “Young black males in recent years were at a far greater risk of being shot dead by police than their white counterparts – 21 times greater.”
Can some of the disparity be blamed on a higher rate of crime in the black community? Yes, but there is a gnawing feeling that simply being black in a high-crime area increases your risk for a deadly altercation with police.
Does bad behavior account for some of the interactions with law enforcement? Yes, but surely there must be ways that we can work to prevent the violence from escalating.
On the other side of the coin, defenders of the War on Drugs say, look at Mexico if you want to see drug violence unchecked by police power.
Isn’t there another alternative where we utilize police power to counter violence, but for the most part leave non-violent citizens alone?
As I’ve visited our nation’s urban centers and predominantly white, impoverished rural areas, I sense an undercurrent of unease. It’s not just lack of justice, but also a cycle of poverty, to crime, and back to poverty again. There is a sense of helplessness. To be sure, we all hold a certain degree of responsibility for our lives and it’s a mistake to simply blame others for our problems.
Reforming criminal justice to make it racially blind is imperative, but that won’t lift up these young men from poverty. In fact, I don’t believe any law will. For too long, we’ve attached some mythic notion to government solutions and yet, 40 years after we began the War on Poverty, poverty still abounds.
When you look at statistics for the white community alone, you see that we’ve become two separate worlds in which the successful are educated and wait to have children until they are married, and those in poverty are primarily those without higher education and with children outside of marriage.... Onward and upward, airforce
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